Abortion rights - to be or not to be

 Currently a birth certificate gathers this information:

All informational birth certificates will include the following information: 

• The child’s name
• The parent’s name
• The time and date of birth
• The city, county, and state of birth 
• The footprints and handprints of the baby
• 
  

The practice of taking a DNA swab of the baby will never happen in a democracy because it violates right to privacy laws etc. however I present the idea because it could and would solve numerous issues concerning accurate identification of the baby, the mother and the father. The biological birth mother’s identity is never in question at the time of birth whereas the biological identity of the father is. Rather than presenting another hoop for the mother, to the contrary it would establish DNA evidence of the true father even if she could not or would not want to identify him by name. Yes, he could avoid detection by never having his dna registered in the database so it would take a few generations before most all paternity matches would be automatically assigned. Now, like I say, this process will probably never happen but I’m not sure of the value of foot and hand prints on the BC and we have learned firsthand how important having our original birth certificate is in these last few years while trying to get our drivers Licence and Real ID. So a DNA sampling at birth would serve as a Real ID for life and far more fraud proof than a Social Security or Medicare Card.  But my point, again is not to burden the female but to support her. DNA would make the identity of the biological father irrefutable under any and all circumstances. No more, that ain’t my kid, scenarios be it on TV as sick and sad entertainment, or in courts of law. My point is that women carry the full burden of responsibility for a child from the first encounter whereas the father does not. It’s that basic biological fact that shapes our legal system and the current debate over abortion. My contention is that it’s men, not women, who push for an abortion. Men, get the girl pregnant, deny it, then tell her to take care of it.

The whole burden, emotional, physical and financial, falls on the female. I had approximately Zero male participants in TANF. You might as well call it PTWTW, put the women to work program, because that’s what it is. So men pressure females to have sex. Sex leads to pregnancy for the female. She often goes through the whole process, including abortion, by herself and carries all the guilt, shame, heartache, healthcare and myriad other  responsibilities by herself. Woman shelters are filled with women, not men. Men are out looking for new woman… and why? Because they can. They can deny paternity and paternal, financial responsibility. The hoops women jump through are endless but a dna swab of the baby would not be one of them.

The 12 week proposed legislation is more punitive than it appears on the surface as you point out. I think that if men were imposed upon with pregnancy and lifetime responsibilities to the same degree as women the arguments and policies around abortion would be far different.

Of course I could be completely wrong. 

Celebrating 45 years of marital bliss from 1978 til today April 5, 2023,

Pete the lesser half of

Pete and Tess

On May 4, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Robert Miles <rmiles6514@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The basic principle for me is to leave each woman free to decide whether to continue a pregnancy. From what I found more than 90% of abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks. Legislatures don't have to be involved.

I disagree with Pete about requiring a DNA test. It presents another hoop for a woman to jump through, though involving the male partner is worthwhile, if possible.

Next time we get together, I'll share more of my direct experience.

Bob

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:06:31 PM EDT, Robert Miles <rmiles6514@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I believe Cooper and don't trust Republicans to write any bill on abortion.

John, you are persuaded by parts that sugar coat the intent of the bill.

I skimmed through the 46-page bill. It is very intrusive. One comment says that it sets the stage for Mark Robinson to campaign on banning all abortions. Clearly, much time went into drafting the bill, but they waited until little time was available for debate.

I'll also forward a message from the League of Women Voters in case you're not on their mailing list.

Bob 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/north-carolina-republicans-override-veto-abortion-ban-becomes-law_n_646391c9e4b0c10612ee51fd?utm_source=cordial&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=hp-us-reg-morning-email_2023-05-17&utm_term=us-morning-email

North Carolina Republicans successfully killed Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper’s veto of a 12-week abortion ban on Tuesday, paving the way for the restriction to soon become law.

When the legislature held an override vote on Tuesday, every Republican voted for the 12-week abortion ban in the Senate, 30-20, and the House, 72-48 ― confirming that the state’s Republican supermajority had the power to override Cooper’s veto. All four Republicans whom Cooper had eyed as possible swing votes — state Reps. Tricia Cotham, John Bradford and Ted Davis Jr., as well as state Sen. Michael V. Lee — voted in favor of the abortion ban.